Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefest GE

If this is true, then the Clintons are promising more of the same triangulation of the 1990s:

"[Hillary] and John McCain are very close. They always laugh that if they wind up being the nominees of their parties, it would be the most civilized election in American history and probably put the voters to sleep," Bill Clinton said.

Excuse me Mr. President, but if that is the case, I see no reason not to nominate the unity schtick candidate who can actually get good press for his unity schtick.

If Hillary is not going to fight for Dem values against a John McCain candidacy, then what is the logic of nominating her?



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Oh, come on. (none / 0)

I think he means they wouldn't do dirty politics.  


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:56:05 PM EST

Say what? (none / 0)

Republicans won't do dirty politics? If Clinton believes that then he is a dumbass.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:59:55 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (none / 0)

No, it's just something you say when everyone accuses you of dirty politics.  


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:04:44 PM EST
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If Obama siad this (none / 0)

I doubt you would be so understanding.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:11:28 PM EST
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Re: If Obama siad this (none / 0)

Well, a) Hillary didn't say it, but b) it's Hillary Clinton, I know exactly how she'll run against McCain, and c) this doesn't appear to be about subtance.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:17:14 PM EST
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Unbelievable (none / 0)

so you think HOw you do the politics does not matter? Hell, on the substance, Obama is almost EXACTLY like Clinton. Why not Obama if this poltiical style is fine with you?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:19:52 PM EST
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Re: Unbelievable (none / 0)

-on the substance, Obama is almost EXACTLY like Clinton

Not at all BTD. Sorry.


by lonnette33 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:24:17 PM EST
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Re: Unbelievable (none / 0)

WTF are you talking about?  I don't think this is very serious.  Yeah, if you can go without character attacks on a POW you will.  I actually don't think you can.  But Hillary has to contend with the campaign against her that says she is a dirty campaigner and also a raving socialist.  This is a nothing comment.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:24:32 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (none / 0)

I mean, come on, you are talking about two of the toughest characters in american politics, ofcourse if she can win without eviscerating the old man, she'll do that.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:09:57 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (none / 0)

Exactly. I don't see how Hillary could go negative on McCain and survive the GE. He's beloved in the media, much like BTD's choice (Obama).

I respect you BTD, but I think you're overreacting on this one.


by lonnette33 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:16:44 PM EST
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Sure (none / 0)

and if Obama has said it, what then?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:18:19 PM EST
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Re: Sure (none / 0)

I wouldn't expect Obama to go Negative on McCain either. McCain is war hero-not a smart thing to do.

But honestly I think Bill's got something up his selves. I'm not sure why he said that, if he said it.


by lonnette33 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:22:42 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (none / 0)

Don't get me wrong, Hillary will be tough aganist McCain. But I don't expect her to go negative. Anyway, she's got to get the NOM first.


by lonnette33 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:18:26 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (2.00 / 1)

She'll be exceedingly tough, and the minute he goes neg on her(and he will) she'll strike back with a vengeance.  This should be obvious.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:29:45 PM EST
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Re: Say what? (none / 0)

The Clinton's wont do anything about the Republican attack machine.  They allowed Republicans to attack them mercilessly for their first two years, costing us Congress.  


by Toddwell on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:14:52 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

I'm voting for Bloomberg.


by desmoulins on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:58:18 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (2.00 / 1)

Nice.  Real nice.


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:18:51 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

Because Bloomberg's message is so related to Edwards's...


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:34:09 PM EST
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Mccain (none / 0)

I doubt Clintons will play nice with McCain.

McCain is way overrated, and I don't believe he's more electable than Romney. He is just too old and has showed empathy about anything except the war. He's going to lose badly in GE.


by prisonbreak on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:58:19 PM EST

Re: Mccain (none / 0)

Agreed.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:05:04 PM EST
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I see your point (none / 0)

but I think Hillary likes Obama too and would call this primary a love fest.  See how well she fights those she loves?

I am not worrying about Hillary not fighting for democratic values. She hasn't been afraid to do it so far.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 08:59:07 PM EST

Re: I see your point (none / 0)

Clinton's biggest mistake was playing too nice with Obama for the first nine months of the campaign. She did her darnest to not attack other Dems and focus on the Republicans.

She should have knee-capped him last April.


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:01:35 PM EST
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Exactly. (none / 0)


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:05:28 PM EST
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Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefest GE (none / 0)

Sometimes I think that some Democrats have never seen Bill Clinton in action. I'm sure he was grinning, with a twinkle in his eye, when he said that.

Sheesh. Have a little fun. It's just politics.

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BTW, there's a story floating around (who knows if it's true), that Senator Clinton drank McCain under the table on a Congressional trip. Like a scene from Raiders of the Lost Ark.


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:00:03 PM EST

I think people (none / 0)

think I am not serious about the idea that we need a Politics of Contrast/Fighting Dems approach. That we need to negatively brand the GOP and its candidate. We need to fight. And Bill is promising something different. Frankly, Obama supporters could make the same argument in his defense that you made in Bill's defense. I think both fundamentally misunderstand the type of politics we need right now.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:10:41 PM EST
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Re: I think people (none / 0)

Oh puhleeze. Bill was making a glib, twinkling-eye comment when asked about running against McCain.

What do you want him to say: "We are going to cut out his liver and eat it with a nice bottle of Chiani..."

Sheesh.


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:13:43 PM EST
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He need not say anything (none / 0)

If that is what he is going to say.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:16:10 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises (none / 0)

I'm not so sure McCain is going to be the nominee- and looking at him last night, he looked so old- and sometimes he comes across as "doddering"- I'm not so scared of him anymore- once the policy debates come out, I think she will cream him.


by reasonwarrior on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:03:18 PM EST

Totally. (none / 0)


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:05:53 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises (none / 0)

if they are the nominees the right can't start the nonsense about how annoying her voice is.  His is higher pitched and definitely more nasal.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:12:56 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

This is worth a diary? Sometimes I think that people are fishing for stories because they have nothing better to do.


by world dictator on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:11:46 PM EST

Skip it then (none / 0)

It is a central issue to me.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:17:34 PM EST
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Re: Skip it then (none / 0)

A joke is a central issue to you? You need to get your priorities straight mate.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:46:52 PM EST
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You have no fucking clue (none / 0)

what my point is. Read my stuff sometime and you might get it. Candidate cultists for any candidate suck.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:45:44 PM EST
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Re: You have no fucking clue (none / 0)

Dear lord, you need to get a hold of your self, buddy.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Tue Jan 29, 2008 at 06:05:52 PM EST
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Re: Skip it then (none / 0)

I dont get how people can say the Clintons are roothless, will do anything to win,only care about themselves, are eager for the spotlight, are seeking a eight more years,etc and then say "oh they'll take it easy on John McCain because they're friends."

I have friends that are republican operatives too. I like to beat them. Especially when its important. It allows for a lot of gloating later.


by world dictator on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:03:43 PM EST
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BTD (none / 0)

BTD,

Here we go, according to politico:


Stumping for his wife in South Carolina, Bill Clinton said Hillary and McCain got along just famously.  

"She and John McCain are very close," Clinton said, according to CNN. "They always laugh that if they wound up being the nominees of their party, it would be the most civilized election in American history, and they're afraid they'd put the voters to sleep because they like and respect each other."

Not surprisingly, Romney's camp has already seized on the remarks and blasted them out to reporters.

And just as predictably, a link to the story also now sits atop Drudge.

This is not what John McCain needs going into a Republican-only primary in Florida Tuesday just as he's trying to prove his conservative credentials to those in the party's base who are still hesitant.

Maybe Bill is trying to kill McCain's chance on purpose? LOL.


by prisonbreak on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:18:50 PM EST

Re: BTD (none / 0)

I don't think the love from Bill and NYT is the kind of love McCain wants three days before FL primary...


by prisonbreak on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:19:26 PM EST
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And it worries me (none / 0)

that you think that this is good for Dems. Sure getting rid of McCain would be great. But what about if it is McCain?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:21:14 PM EST
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Re: And it worries me (none / 0)

I don't care about McCain. As I said, he's over rated. I don't believe he's more electable than any other GOp candidate.


by prisonbreak on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:23:27 PM EST
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the difference between Clinton and Obama (none / 0)

Obama's whole campaign rationale is "unity", while Bill Clinton in this instance is just be chatty and charming.  You don't seriously doubt the Clintons will do what it takes to win.  He is not saying she wants to work with McCain on being "bi-partisan".  He is just making small talk and maybe he is trying to knock McCain off his game.  Who knows?  When Hillary starts talking about a new kind of politics and makes her whole campaign about post partisanship I might start to worry.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:34:50 PM EST
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Re: And it worries me (none / 0)

If it's McCain, Hillary Clinton will hit him, hit him again, and hit him some more. There is a little something called better policies, you know.

Does the Clinton campaign seem timid to you?


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:08:42 PM EST
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Re: (none / 0)

1. There is no way the premise this diary is based on is correct.  You should know them better by now, BTD.  How can you "triangulate" in a GE, anyway?  

2. A joke is a joke and remains a joke, even if you just read it instead of seeing the smile and smirk it came with.  The sparks would fly, quite obviously.  Nobody would "fall asleep."

3. McCain has made some very nasty comments about Hillary during this season.  It would be responded to in kind during GE season, if it comes to that.

4. McCain may be hurt by this.  Bill Clinton is hated by the Republicans (there goes that theory of upcoming triangulation anyway) and something like this could help McCain's opposition, which is what Clinton may be trying to achieve.


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:24:12 PM EST

how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

You are not serious are you?
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:28:10 PM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

apparently Mccain has no problem saying Clinton wants to wave the white flag and surrender in Iraq? Do you really that Hillary would just sit on her hands in the general election if this occured?


by world dictator on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:05:43 PM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

As k Bill. He is the fucking person who said it.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:46:34 PM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

if you're going to make an argument defend it...if you can...


by world dictator on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 11:39:56 AM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

Its easy, Clinton did it all throughout the 1996 election.  


by Toddwell on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:10:23 PM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

Put your thinking cap on, BTD.  McCain just slammed Hillary with a major insult.  White flags over Iraq?  Surrender?  Come on.  Think.  What would YOUR response be if someone slammed your wife like that, especially if she ran for the presidency of the United States? A knuckle sandwich?  A dressing down?  Certainly not kumbaya and roasted marshmallows.  

I guess if you think that there is a kumbaya session with all smiles with McCain in the offing here, I overestimated your ability to see and understand when a political violinist tunes his strings.  

There is no recorded history of McCain and Hillary Clinton being particularly close, even though both have been in the Senate for some time.  They never worked on legislation together, they never have been known to be "close friends" until now.  There was the "bitch" incident. The TV attack ad.  McCain going off on the Woodstock thing.  

For more illustrative purposes, check out what John McCain had to say about Hillary here:

http://www.newsgroper.com/john-mccain/20 07/11/15/mother-kill-hillary-clinton/

:-)


by georgep on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 01:45:19 AM EST
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Re: how can you triangulate in a GE? (none / 0)

the Chelsea joke...


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 02:36:51 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises (2.00 / 1)

I'm pretty sure you're aware of Bill's sunshine attutude. He'll say something nice about anyone he's known in politics. He said Huckabee was a decent man-- that wasn't an endorsement. He said he gets 'tickled' at how talented Obama is as an elocutionish-- that wasn't an endorsement. I think he's allowed to be jolly ex-president now and then, even as he's defending his wife.

Chances are, however, if McCain thinks he can run ads with a picture of Hillary's head as a crystal ball and Halloween lettering in the general, he'll surely need to do a lot more campaign-staff shakeups. In any case, McCain wouldn't be able to unify the Republican party, even with the threat of a Hillary Clinton presidency.


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:40:37 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton Promises (none / 0)

elocutionist, even


While I could sit in church and pray all I want, I wouldn't be fulfilling God's will unless I went out and did the Lord's work ~ Barack Obama
by bowiegeek on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:41:25 PM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

Obviously you can't tell when something is a joke. Clinton and McCain may be very good friends, but please, they will both be fighting for the Presidency like dogs.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:45:46 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

Is there some kind of subtext to this diary that I am missing?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:51:22 PM EST

Actually I won't (none / 0)

The Clinton Cult seems to be as bad as the Obama cult. There are a lot of people in this duary who readmy critiques in this vein of Obama and they cheered quite loudly. Imagine Obama saying this should be enough of a sub context for any sentient person at this blog.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:48:47 PM EST
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Re: Actually I won't (none / 0)

Well, speaking as a non-member of either cult, I have no doubt that BC knows exactly how the GE will go and is making this statement solely for short-term strategic reasons.

If Obama said it, well, I doubt I would think he seriously believed the GE would be some high-minded debate on the issues, but I'm sure others would think that, and still others would manufacture the sort of faux outrage we're all familiar with.

I see BC's primary purpose here as pushing back against the notion that as long as the Clintons are involved there's bound to be the sort of slimy campaign that voters hate.  I mean, if voters are like "hmm, Obama-McCain, that would probably be a pleasant campaign between two honorable men," then Bill kind of has to get that narrative out of their head.

I think this kind of statement also hurts McCain with Republicans but I don't want to start rambling on as if BC is thinking 12 moves ahead, cause really I have no idea.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:25:41 PM EST
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Funny (none / 0)

Didnt see Bill Clinton fighting hard to hold Congress in 1994.  


by Toddwell on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 09:51:35 PM EST

Do you want rage-in-the-cage? (none / 0)

Sometimes I have to wonder about your true desire in a political debate.

There is nothing in the Bill Clinton quote that says Hillary won't fight for democratic values, other than the word 'fight' wasn't included.


by Coldblue on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:00:18 PM EST

Strategy (none / 0)

Bill Clinton is so good, so, so good. Even when he's "joking," he engages in excellent strategy.

Let's think about this for a minute. If I'm a Republican voter, knowing that HRC is the nominee, what would I expect my Republican nominee to do during the General Election? Would it be to play pattycakes with HRC during the long campaign and say nice conciliatory things about her sometimes? Or would it be to engage in the toughest slugfest against her that Americans have ever seen? Hmm.... This is a really hard one to answer NOT!!!

Bill is playing on the unease that the GOP has towards McCain right before the Florida primaries (which is a closed primary state by the way--no Indies allowed). Bill is subtly saying to these GOP'ers that McCain isn't going to be tough against HRC during the General Election. He's not going to give you what you GOP'ers really want. He's not tough enough to go after HRC like some of your other candidates. You need to choose someone else to pummel HRC and really bloody her up.

Bill's latest comments along with the NY Times editorial is just enough to kill off McCain's chances in Florida's primary next week. Put a fork in him. With Clinton's latest comments, McCain's done.....

Romney is going to receive all the delegates in Florida and with that become the new frontrunner in the Republican race....


by ademption on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:01:07 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

Big Tent,

You are always very perceptive and I read your posts carefully. I think what Bill was saying is that the campaign against McCain will be very civil. He is implying that this campaign is dirty because of Obama. The dirtiest part of this campaign was the charge of racism against the Clinton's. This was Obama. As Rep. Lewis said, Obama fabricated it all and brought in the race card. Also, the story about Hsu earlier this year was released by Obama. And the Obama team bragged about it. I think Obama is our Mitt Romney. And a fight between Clinton and McCain will be one about the issues. A high minded campaign - where Clinton comes out on top - because the issues are on her side.


by moi moi on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:30:48 PM EST

Re: Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefes (none / 0)

Actually, I think that Hillary would go civil or not civil against McCain, depending on which approach gave her the best competitive advantage.

As Obama keeps reminding us, she will do what it takes to win in November 2008.

McCain's vulnerabilities:

a) 100 year commitment to Iraq
b) weak on economy
c) older than dirt
d) his base can't stand him
e) short-fuse temper, can be provoked


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:57:15 PM EST
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Bill Clinton Promises A Hillary-McCain Lovefest (none / 0)

BTD:

Please watch this Romney YouTube ad on John McCain and get back to me on whether Bill Clinton did him any favors today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGrWt-XIC Hc

You are forgetting that Bill Clinton won two Presidential elections as a Democrat, something that hadn't been done since Franklin D. Roosevelt, 64 years ago. Are you forgetting that he took down a sitting Republican President? Do you honestly think that Bill and Hillary Clinton haven't discussed (and polled) strategy against the potential Republican nominees and considered who they would prefer to run against, particularly in the key electoral college swing states? Do you think they are going to do any favors for any of the Republican candidates?


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:53:37 PM EST

What you are forgetting (none / 0)

is that Bill Clinton lost Democrats the House of Representitives, which had not happened since Harry Truman's Korean War in 1952 and they promptly got it back in 1954.  The Republican President he took down in 1992 had a 29% approval rating and was one of the weakest President's ever and Clinton could still only get 43% against him and costing us 10 House at the same time.  

The Clinton's are very bad news.  All they care about is their own legacy.  Do you want a President back in the White House who purposely made sure Republicans kept Congress in 1996 so he would have something to "triangulate" against?  You people are dreaming and about to cut your nose off to spite your face.  You care nothing about Congress and without large majorities there, we will see no universal healthcare.  


by Toddwell on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 12:12:08 AM EST
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Re: Bill Clinton Promises (none / 0)

Well, I can understand the concern after having all the "we have to be nice to Republicans" and "unity" and "hope" schtick crammed down our throats. However, it looks like he was messing with the GOP primary. Saying something that would help knock McCain out of the primary. I don't think it's likely that McCain will be the nominee simply because he's so strongly disliked by the GOP base.


No longer a Democrat, now proudly an independent voter!
by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 26, 2008 at 08:32:35 AM EST


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