Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign

Yes, this is an old refrain from me, but E.J. writes it today:
Obama's not particularly original insight was a central premise of Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. Clinton argued over and over that Democrats could not win without new ideas of their own. To reread Clinton's "New Covenant" speeches from back then is to be reminded of how electrifying it was to hear a politician who was willing to break new ground. That's why the Clintons' assault on Obama is so depressing. In many ways, Obama is running the 2008 version of the 1992 Clinton campaign. You have the feeling that if Bill Clinton did not have another candidate in this contest, he'd be advising Obama and cheering him on.
Of course the problem here is it is 2008, not 1992. As I have written, I believe Bill Clinton would NOT be running his 1992 campaign today. Indeed, when Obama argues against a return to the 90s, in my view, he is arguing against himself as it is his political style that is the return to Bill Clinton's 1992 campaign. The politics of today demand a politics of contrast from Fighting Democrats. It is ironic that it is the Clintons, taking their lead from John Edwards, who are not the ones reliving the 90s. It is ironic that it is Barack Obama who is reliving 1992.



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Truce? (1.00 / 3)

"They are getting votes, to be sure, because of their race or gender, and that's why people tell me Hillary doesn't have a chance to win here," he said in Charleston.

Bill Clinton has pleaded with black voters not to vote for Barack Obama just because of his race, sympathising that "I get why it's hard to pass the first time" but insisting his wife Hillary is "on your side".

Truce my ass.


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by kid oakland on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:10:43 AM EST

Re: Truce? (none / 0)

There are no truces in elections.  Obama has been attack mode for three months.  Should Hillary do any less?
Remember it all started with "how can you run the white house when you can't keep your own house in order".... Michele Obama

ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:18:38 AM EST
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Ad Age reviews Clinton ad (1.00 / 1)

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Petty conflict is the fast-food of election-year politics and news organizations eat that stuff up. In the McDonaldsization of democracy, bald-faced lies are just the disposable toys in the Happy Meal.

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by kid oakland on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:32:27 AM EST
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How convenient it is (none / 0)

that Obama rises above it all, "for the Good of the Party", just when Senior civil rights leaders began to point out that it was he, not the Clintons, that were cynically playing race card politics over the memory of MLK.

   "It is unfortunate that people have tried to distort what Mrs. Clinton had to say about Dr. King," "I think there has been a deliberate and systematic attempt by some people in the Obama campaign to really fan the flames about race and to really distort what Senator Clinton said.  I understood and I think most right thinking people understood what she said.

   "President and Senator Clinton have a record, a history, a very long history of bringing people together.  No right thinking American would ever think that Senator or President Clinton would ever do anything that would use the race card"

   "I must tell you...I'm trying to set the record straight...the Obama camp is doing something else, theyr'e sending out memos to the media trying to suggest that the Clintons are playing the race card."

   -Rep. John Lewis on News Hour 1/14

And how good of Obama to "rise above it all" just when it was becoming quite obvious from numerous press reports that some white suburban voters were getting nervous watching obama morph from awesome to Al Sharpton .


Offend the Media - Vote for Hillary!
by Seymour Glass on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:40:24 AM EST
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Write your own post (2.00 / 1)

Stop hijacking mine.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:13:26 AM EST
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Hey, let's change the subject? (2.00 / 1)

Truce?

In an interview with CNN's Jessica Yellin, Dick Harpootlian, a former chairman of the South Carolina Democratic Party and a supporter of Barack Obama, said some of Bill Clinton's recent remarks on the campaign trail were appeals based on race and gender. He said the comments were meant to "suppresses the vote, demoralize voters, and distort the record," and said they were "reminiscent of Lee Atwater."

Outrageous.


by soshi on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:32:17 AM EST
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No, you're forgetting the party line (none / 0)

"Suppressing the vote, Demoralizing Voters and Distorting the record" is the proof that Hillary is "tough enough" to take on the GOP.

Shorter Clinton campaign: heads I win, tails you lose.


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by kid oakland on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:39:00 AM EST
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Pure (none / 0)

spin. Bought hook, line, and sinker.


by soshi on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:47:06 AM EST
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You should stop blogging (2.00 / 2)

until after the primaries. An embarrassment is what you have become.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:12:40 AM EST
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WTF? (2.00 / 2)

does that have to do with this diary? But K/O is in full shill mode now.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:10:13 AM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

This was short in length but actually quite fulsome in content.

I think you have a very insightful point, BTD.


by TomP on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:15:43 AM EST

exactly (none / 0)

it is not 1992 and history NEVER repeats itself.


ABO... Anybody but Obama. I LIKE the democratic party.

by MollieBradford on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:19:31 AM EST

Dionne is an idiot. (none / 0)

You are quite correct, and BC has said as much,  This is why I laugh.  It's Obama, not Hillary, who is stuck in the past.  Further, what a rude thing to say.  What the hell is that supposed to mean?  Sorry Dionne, BC has a horse in this race.  Get used to it.  


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 10:59:22 AM EST

Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Yes, I have also repeatedly pointed this out.  Obama is really running Bill Clinton's campaign, but at a totally different time and place we are finding ourselves in.  Wrong timing, wrong choice of themes, heck, the GOP is even much worse than it was back then, more conservative, more convinced than ever that their, and only their, way is the right way.  


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:02:25 AM EST

Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Maybe I remember the 1992 campaign differently than other people.  I remember it as very much a "politics of contrast" campaign centered around a repudiation of Reaganomics.

I see Dionne's thesis as very empty.  He points out that in 1992, Clinton was bringing something new, and now in 2008, Obama is bringing something new, so gosh, it's the same thing!  But in 1992, Clinton was bringing something new that was SUBSTANTIVE - a rebranding of the Democratic Party away from the traditional liberal message that had gone down to crushing defeat in 1984 and 1988.  Obama, on the other hand, is offering the same fundamental mix of policies as the other candidates.  The distinctions are on wonky side points, like individual mandates.  The only "new" thing Obama is bringing is the rhetoric of post-partisanship, a procedural and dare I say mushy point.

Dionne also makes a Reagan point which I believe is instructive.  He references Bill Clinton, in 1991, praising Ronald Reagan for correctly choosing to confront Communism.  Well, today Obama is the one saying nice things about Reagan, so it's the same thing, right!  While I praise E.J. Dionne for having a political memory, this strikes me as the kind of random nugget of thought which has fathered a thousand columns of empty punditry.

Focus on the fact that when Clinton praised Reagan, he was identifying a specific, SUBSTANTIVE issue.  I'm sure the hypothetical netroots of the time would have given him a hard time for it, but the fact is, he was identifying a specific issue on which he agreed with Reagan, and you could agree or disagree.  (I think history has pretty much vindicated Reagan on Communism, although it felt kinda scary at the time.)

As for Obama, well, those supporters who have claimed Obama was getting unfairly pummeled because he didn't say anything controversial were exactly right.  Just because you're taking political hits doesn't mean you actually committed an act of brave apostasy.  In fact, his campaign has taken great efforts to point out that he didn't praise any specific ideas of Reagan's at all.  So yes, Reagan took office at a time that was ripe for a realignment, and he made it happen.  Consider how much less substantive this observation is than what Bill Clinton said in 1991.

I think perhaps I've been spoiled because Bill Clinton, for all his charisma and political gifts, is simply a relentlessly substantive person.  He may have been willing to adopt SPECIFIC ideas when he felt the other side got them right, but I see his 1992 campaign as one of clear contrast on substantive issues of economic policy.  The only contrast Obama offers is one of procedure and not substance, the shift from partisanship to post-partisanship.  There's no policy to it, there's no ideology to it.  It's just rhetoric.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:04:31 AM EST

Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Totally right.  Great pont. Dionne misses he substance.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:07:01 AM EST
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Nope (none / 0)

Saying he ran on the economy is not contradictory to EJ's point. I think you are wrong here.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:11:34 AM EST
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Re: Nope (none / 0)

Explain to me what you see as the salient features of Bill's 1992 campaign.

I think EJ is mistaking the window dressing for the stuff that really matters.  Optically, it's the youthful outsider candidacy in both cases, but Clinton represented a substantive shift in politics while Obama represents a rhetorical shift.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:21:42 AM EST
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Honestly? (none / 0)

Sistah Souljah and Rickie Ray Rector were the key moments to putting him in play. It was extremely distasteful to me at the time. I voted for Jerry Brown in the NY primary. Obama's campaign is so much like Clinton's 92 campaign it is eeerie.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:27:54 AM EST
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Re: Honestly? (none / 0)

So if I'm following you here, Clinton was trying to rebrand the party as "tough on crime" and "not beholden to minorities," assuming I can be blunt about it.  How would you describe the analogous aspects of Obama's campaign?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:36:22 AM EST
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different issues (none / 0)

"Faith" and "SS crisis" and "Clintons suck" and "Reagan" reacharound.
by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 01:53:13 PM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

But Bill Clinton understood where the country was at the time, that he had to run as a moderate centrist to have any chance at all.  And, in many ways that was what he was anyway.  Yes, he repudiated many of the failed doctrines of the Republicans stronger than Obama does today, but in the end Bill Clinton ran as a transcedental figure, someone who would appeal to Independents and some cross-over Republicans with talk of personal responsibility, getting a "helping hand up rather than a handout," etc.   I am not so much looking at EJ Dionne's exact phrasing and argumentation, but I have long felt that Obama is trying to duplicate many aspects of the Bill Clinton campaign from 1992, just at the absolutely wrong time and place.  Politically we are miles away from where we were in 1992.  


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:28:01 AM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Well, in 1992 the Democratic Party needed a rebranding.  I don't believe it does in 2008, nor do I think Obama is offering one except in terms of pure rhetoric.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 11:33:36 AM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Steve, you are right again.  Excellent analysis.  This has the makings of a diary.


formerly bookgirl
by masslib1 on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:05:39 PM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Yes, that is the problem with Obama's candidacy.  He tries to rebrand the Democratic party (and tells us that we are as much to blame as the other side for the "problem") when indeed the party needs no such thing.  We are well on our way to take the Republicans to the woodshed and demonstrate to the country that the conservative GOP doctrine is wrong in almost every conceivable measure - for the economy, foreign affairs, social aspects, etc.  The country IS with us on 19 out of 20 issues important to the populace.   That is the difference.  I really don't care and have no sympathy for the GOP's massive problems with voters and their continued identity-search.  We don't need it, and bringing it about artificially in a "collective-guilt" inducing way makes me want to oppose Obama even stronger.  

Wrong time and place for this stuff.  Obama learned the wrong lessons from Bill Clinton, and offers only a weak imitation, but without the strongly Democratic aspects of BC's candidacy.


by georgep on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:11:35 PM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

If Obama were out there saying "these are the things the Republicans are right about, and these are the things the Democrats are right about" (like Clinton saying Reagan was right about confronting communism, but that Reaganomics was wrong) I'd be content to let him run that campaign.  I mean, maybe I'd agree or maybe I'd disagree, I certainly don't think the Democratic Party has a monopoly on the truth.  But it would give Democrats a clear choice about whether they want to take the party in that direction or not.

Instead, he relies solely on this maddeningly vague "both sides have some good arguments" language that sounds like a rebranding, but offers nothing of substance to judge him on.  It's superficially clever, because it allows people from all over the political spectrum to imagine that he's going to keep all the good stuff and throw away all the bad stuff.  But there's no substance to it, there's no genuine effort to take the party anywhere that we can discern.  I want Obama to tell me which Republican arguments he agrees with; I'm an open-minded guy, maybe he'll persuade me that he's right.  I don't want him to tell me that he thinks the other side has some good arguments, but I won't find out which ones until after he's elected.

I thought Bill Clinton was very specific about where he wanted to take the party and Obama is anything but.  I'm trying to understand BTD's argument and I'm hoping he'll be back to comment more, but I'm really puzzled by why this campaign is supposed to remind me of Clinton '92.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 12:28:45 PM EST
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Re: Dionne: Obama Running Clinton's 1992 Campaign (none / 0)

Bill Clinton was running against a sitting Republican President (really a third-term Republican President) with enormous popularity after Gulf War I. In many ways, the Democratic nomination was viewed a relatively worthless in 1992. Rebranding was the only shot the Democrats had.

What makes Obama's strategy so curious is that the Democratic Party is riding a positive wave into the 2008. It is the Republican party that is saddled with a discredited President and an electorate turning away from their platform. It is a very odd time for Democrat to be running against the Democratic Party.


by hwc on Fri Jan 25, 2008 at 02:55:36 PM EST
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